She's been a youth pastor, a stay-at-home mom dreaming and navigating the chaos of adolescence, and now a writer bravely charting the unpredictable waters of faith. But who is she, really?
What drives her to lay bare her soul on Substack, to risk the sting of rejection, and to invite us into the sacred space of spiritual growth?
Forget the polished facades; this is a conversation with a woman who dares to be vulnerable, who admits to "wandering in the desert," and who believes that true courage lies in swimming toward the shark of judgment.
Join me in exploring the raw honesty behind her words and the unwavering hope that fuels her quest for connection.
Prepare to be inspired, challenged, and perhaps even a little changed.
Meet
Q: Tell us a little bit about your background
When I was younger, I wanted to be: a ballerina, florist, marine biologist, jazz drummer, tour guide/cruise director, something in film/television (perhaps a screenwriter), and a mom.
I only managed the last one. Prior to that, I ended up becoming a youth pastor (thatās kinda like working in the entertainment industry, isnāt it? š).
For reasons that are too long to go into here, when my kids got older, I couldnāt return to youth ministry.
After several years of wandering in the desert of liminal space, I followed my personal breadcrumb trail that led me to spiritual formation work, which is the only occupation that has ever made me a better person, not a worse one.
Q: Beyond the act of hitting "publish," what's the most courageous thing you've done as a writer on Substack?
Perhaps itās writing about faith and God through my particular Christian lens. For starters, thereās a lot of folks who will automatically tune out as soon as they discover Iām speaking from a Christian worldview. So Iām already cutting myself off at the legs as soon as I open my mouth.
But then you throw in the fact that I am in a weird position on the spectrum of US American Christianity: I am too liberal for most conservatives and too conservative for most liberals. So even though my desire is to walk a path that unifies followers of Jesus by focusing on the essential tenets of the Christian faith, I tend to piss off both sides because Iām not picking their side.
Itās the irony and importance of all centrist positions, I suppose. But the ever-present likelihood of rejection from multiple camps requires courage.
Q: Many people dream of writing but fear judgment or failure. What advice would you give to those who are hesitant to share their voice on Substack?
Well, first Iād ask, how do you define failure? Because, arguably, NOT WRITING could certainly be considered a failure. Youāre definitely going to failā¦everyone does! Itās just a matter of how youāre going to fail and I choose to fail by writing, not not writing.
Then Iād also say, yes, youāre definitely going to be judged at some point, perhaps even immediately. Take those judgments, see if thereās any nugget of truth in them that can help you improve (be sure to consider the source), and toss the rest as someone whoās having a bad day. If youāre really courageous, you could even consider it free coaching for your writing.
Essentially, embrace judgment or failure. āSwim toward the shark,ā as John Ortberg shared. By that, I donāt mean cling to it, but donāt run from it. Acknowledge it, milk it for the wisdom it can bless you with, and then let it swim away.
Q: In your opinion, what's the most courageous thing a reader can do after engaging with your work?
Well, if theyāre in a place of rejecting or holding God at armās length, particularly because of what other people have said to them about, or on behalf of, God, I think it would be cracking the door of their heart a bit and saying, āOK, Iād like to give you a chance, God; Iād like to give you a chance to speak for yourself, rather than making assumptions about you based on what others have told me.ā
If theyāre already open to connecting with God, then it would be to, again, set aside the many voices in their head that may tell them they arenāt doing it right, arenāt doing enough or arenāt good enough to draw close to God. It would be allowing themselves to hear how much God loves their desire and efforts to connect and how much God loves to honor that desire.
Q: Vulnerability is often a key component of courage. How do you balance being vulnerable with maintaining healthy boundaries as a writer in such a public space?
Oh, man! As a former youth pastor and a pastorās wife, this is an ongoing challenge, and not just in the realm of writing. I have screwed this up more times than I care to count. But each time, Iāve learned how to manage that balance a little better (I hope).
Currently, Iād say I have a few trusted people who are my āchecks.ā I know they love me and want the best for me, and I know that I can receive the truth from them even if it stings. When I write, I imagine what advice theyād give me about what Iām saying, and then if Iām still uncertain, I ask them in real life! Also, this is where that whole ālook for the nugget of truth in criticismā thing can be helpful.
Q: Courage often involves taking risks. What's the biggest risk you've taken in sharing your writing or building your Substack community?
Since Iāve only been on Substack for a few months, I think Iām gearing up for my biggest risk. Honestly, Iāve been putting it off for years and Iām hoping the support Iāve found on Substack will help me muster up the courage to do it. So Iāll finally say it publicly, and maybe that will force me to take the plunge: Iād like to launch regular live spiritual practice groups.
Thatās why my writing is free. I didnāt join Substack to make money off my writing, because honestly, how sustainable is it for the average person to keep shelling out $5/month to read someoneās writing? I canāt do it, so why would I expect others to?
But I am willing to pay for a regular community that holds me accountable to do things I struggle to do on my own, as I discuss below. Thatās what I hope to offer people who are in the same boat as meāand hopefully we can sail off into the sunset together. If I can just get myself to build the boat!
Q: What advice would you give to someone who feels stuck or unfulfilled but is hesitant to take the leap and reinvent themselves?
Find someone to do it with. I never spend money on stuff like this, but I bit the bullet to join Substack Writers at Work and it was worth EVERY PENNY. I couldnāt have done Substack without the expertise of Sarah Fay and the support of that communityā¦it was too overwhelming without having someone to guide me.
It doesnāt have to be a paid entity, but thereās truth to the African adage: "If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together." If youāre feeling stuck and unfulfilled, probably the only place youāre going to go fast on your own is down into a pit of overwhelm, paralysis, and self-condemnation. It takes someone on the outside to pull you up and out.
Q: If you could go back and tell your pre-Substack self one thing about the journey ahead, what would it be?
Temper your expectationsālike, REALLY lower them! Recognize that youāre essentially starting a construction project, and like anyone whoās ever done a remodeling or construction project knows, it ALWAYS takes longer (and costs more money) than originally projected.
Then, drill down into why you want to do this and be very specific about your why and what youād like to work towards. Then find your people in Substack to do it with. Youāll get there eventually (I think Iām telling my current Substack self this, haha).
Oh, and itās a lot more work than you imaginedā¦but itās also a LOT more fun than you imagined!
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Thanks for doing this, Magdalena!! It makes our Substack community a little closer and more intimate...love all that you do!
Loved that quote: "Swim toward the shark."